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um, but what about all the interviews with the kid's dad? maybe he's a hoax, too.
PS. your site's typekey sign-in thing doesn't seem to be working.

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I'm not saying the kid doesn't exist, or that his parents weren't sending him there, but this crap about him being brainwashed or other misc. crap based on his blog posts before he got there prove nothing.

And I know about the typekey thing, havne't figured why it's broken yet.

Ok, why do you think this is a hoax? Do you think the kid didn't go here? I'm not impressed by CPS not finding a reason to close the place down, the kids would have to be obviously physically abused for CPS to take that kind of action.

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It's a hoax because the whole scandal about all the eeebil stuff they are doing there is based on blog posts from a kid who was pissed (and who's parents aren't probably doing so well with the situation) BEFORE HE EVEN GOT THERE.

There is no evidence whatsoever that bad things are happening there except the word of a kid on his blog that was posted before he showed up there.

you may believe that it is a hoax,however,the rules of that camp are clearly stated.
As a Parent myself i do not tell my teenage child how to sit,stand,sleep,shower or even how to joke.
Dressing Rules:Campers,Abercrombie , Calvin Klein as well as short sleeves are doomed to be 'too gay' to wear too.....i mean please,does this not border on Abuse?

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All of which is highly irrelevant. You may disagree with a parent sending their kids there, and I'm not going to defend that. I doubt they are doing the right thing, but investigating this camp because of the claims of someone who wasn't even there is spurious.

And no, that isn't abuse. Stupid, maybe... but not abuse.

Hmm. A 16 year old comes out to his parents, their immediate response is to take him to a 2-6 week ex-gay [or reparitive therapy, or whatever you want to call it] camp. To me, that's a bad thing. The list of rules only makes it into a worse thing [and, yeah, maybe the kid's lying about these rules, but I havn't seen anything from the camp repudiating them].

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Parents have been sending their kids away to military schools and the like for as long as there has been military schools. I'm not sure where people are getting that I'm defending the parents, but there has been 2 investigations on this place based on blog posts of a kid not even there.

This is ideological-based. I'd prefer investigations to be fact-based. And on more than just someone not being allowed to were Abercrombie.

After reading the rules, I see nothing particularly abusive about them, certainly not when the parents get them in advance and agree to them. The kids thinks its boot camp, but worse. He should try boot camp before making such claims.

I'm not defending all these rules, some I think are dumb, some I think aren't good ideas. But not everything I disagree with is a crime. A position not shared as widely as it ought to be.

Isn't it ironic that the very people who say they speak for Gay choice also seem to think that Gay people are incapable of making choices in their lives. ;~D

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If that's what it seems, you are reading it wrong.

CPS makes investigations based on allegations, not concrete evidence. They take action based on evidence, not allegations. That's why occasionally a tabloid will have "___ Investigated by CPS," with pictures, without telling you the reporter for the tabloid was the one who called. Something like that might be fraud; I don't think that example and this case are the same. I also don't think there is evidence of abuse in the rules.

From my standpoint, the Ex-Gay movement is bad science, the equivalent of someone using queen bee jelly to cure cancer. I think their main "successes" have been bisexual men who have been shamed into only having sex with women.

On the other hand, if I thought this was the only way to save my son's soul, I can understand why some parents might want to do something like this.

On a side note [or maybe not], this program to me is the essense of brainwashing. Of course, so are a lot of other things we enter into voluntarily. I agree, taking your kid to this place isn't a crime. On the other hand, they may be making claims, that if a doctor were making, would get the doc sued for malpractice.

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Well DCFS found the allegations lacked any credibility, so it seems I'm more right than it seems.

I'm not a big believer in brainwashing, I think it's a loaded term used to scare people, but in the end DCFS found there was no merit at all and left. But in the end, if there is anything to sue these people over, I'm sure they'll be sued sooner or later.

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